another young child killed when will it ever end

[silkcityuk2]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/latest/2007/08/18/man-held-after-teenager-stabbed-to-death-89520-19656222/
this is becomming a weekly occurrence,


was such a great idea to stop disciplining children :mad:
and instead go and make them stand in a corner:rolleyes:


bring back places like borstal and stop all the mindless killing:mad:

[minkyrra]

The stabbing was done by a 21 yr old.

Not sure how borstal would have prevented him stabbing people.

As for discipline, the article doesnt say how he was treated as he grew up.

Cant blame every crime on the way someone was disciplined as a child.

Some people turn out as evil f*c*s no matter their upbringing.




LONDON (Reuters) - A man was arrested on suspicion of murder after a teenage boy was stabbed to death in northern England, police said on Saturday, the latest youth to die in violent circumstances this year.
Detectives said the victim and another injured boy, both aged 16, were found after they were called to reports of a stabbing incident in Farnworth, near Manchester, late on Friday.

The boys were taken to the Royal Bolton Hospital where one later died while the other is in a serious condition.


Police said a 21-year-old man had been held on suspicion of murder.


The dead boy is the latest teenager to have been stabbed to death or gunned down in recent months, provoking intense debate about violent crime and gang culture.


Earlier this week Cheshire Chief Constable called for the legal drinking age in Britain to be raised to 21, saying cheap alcohol was to blame for much anti-social and violent behaviour.

Peter Fahy, who was speaking out after four teenagers were charged with murdering Garry Newlove, 47, who was attacked after confronting a gang of youths, also said parents should be forced to stop their children drinking alcohol underage.



What does everyone think of the other matter mentioned in the article?

increasing min drinking age to 21?

[silkcityuk2]

The stabbing was done by a 21 yr old.


this one maybe but there has been 3 this week at least

Not sure how borstal would have prevented him stabbing people.

a deterrent maybe

As for discipline, the article doesnt say how he was treated as he grew up.

Cant blame every crime on the way someone was disciplined as a child.
so you still think standing in a corner is a better way

i totally dissagree but then thats me

Some people turn out as evil f*c*s no matter their upbringing.
thats no excuse.
a bit more right from wrong would go a long way






What does everyone think of the other matter mentioned in the article?

increasing min drinking age to 21?waste of time
most of the kids are under 16 and still getting wasted how is raising the age limit going to help?

[Cocksparrer]

Same as how the underage drinking change in age is not going to help. Kids will still be able to get hold of alcohol one way or another, I read somewhere theyre changing the limit from 18 to 21 LMAO as if any kid is going to be worried about that.

[minkyrra]

minky - Not sure how borstal would have prevented him stabbing people.

silkcityuk2 - a deterrent maybe



In other cases, maybe, but in this case not.


minky - As for discipline, the article doesnt say how he was treated as he grew up.

Cant blame every crime on the way someone was disciplined as a child.

Silkcityuk - so you still think standing in a corner is a better way

i totally dissagree but then thats me



That isnt what I said. I do believe in disciplining children, We already know our views are different on this.

:)

Besides I am not the best person to judge the wrongs and rights of bringing up children as I do not have any of my own.


minky
What does everyone think of the other matter mentioned in the article?



increasing min drinking age to 21?waste of time
most of the kids are under 16 and still getting wasted how is raising the age limit going to help?

Perhaps because shopkeepers will find it easier to differentiate between a 17 year old and a 21 year old?

Maybe because those who can sneak through and buy booze, would be that much older that they wouldnt think it was right to then pass it on to 14 year olds?

I am not saying I agree with it, but those are just some thoughts that sprang to mind.

I know I was drinking now and then (not heavily) from under the age of 16. My own method was to help myself to what was kept in my parents badly locked drinks cabinet, and on a couple of occassions I had someone older buy for me.

I think most had experience of alcoholic substance from a similar age.

I know that if I were under the age of 21, I would be really against lifting the age limit.

I also know my experience of drink is a world away from gangs of drunken youths that you do read about.

Sooo... I am undecided.

Maybe they need to police areas, where youths are likely to gather, better instead.

:cool:

[silkcityuk2]

Perhaps because shopkeepers will find it easier to differentiate between a 17 year old and a 21 year old?

Maybe because those who can sneak through and buy booze, would be that much older that they wouldnt think it was right to then pass it on to 14 year olds?

I am not saying I agree with it, but those are just some thoughts that sprang to mind.

I know I was drinking now and then (not heavily) from under the age of 16. My own method was to help myself to what was kept in my parents badly locked drinks cabinet, and on a couple of occassions I had someone older buy for me.

I think most had experience of alcholic substances from a similar age.

I know that if I were under the age of 21, I would be really against lifting the age limit.

I also know my experience of drink is a world away from gangs of drunken youths that you do read about.

Sooo... I am undecided.

Maybe they need to police areas, where youths are likely to gather, better instead.

:cool:


[/quote]what is stopping children taking there parents drink?
some shopkeepers will sell to 16 yearolds without checking id so 18 or 21 make no differance
the problem lies a hell of a lot deeper and its not just drink anyway drugs are as much as a problem
perhaps we should raise the legal limmit to buy hard drugs
oh silly me
its ilegal to buy anyway but doesnt stop teenagers buying it or taking it

[minkyrra]

Something else that pops to mind, touching on what you just said.

Maybe there should be bigger fines for people who sell alcohol.

Maybe it should become compulsory for identification to be provided whenever a bottle of drink is sold.

Perhaps parents need to rethink how they store their own supplies and what access they give their children to drink

(this said by someone guilty of using a bent out safety pin on a dodgy lock on my parents sideboard :o - my poor mum used to get blamed for drinking it)

So does anyone have any ideas on how the problem of underaged drinking or the acts of violence and aggression of young people (over 18s under 21s) could be better controlled?

[kengillam]

I don't think it is just the under age drinking problem but a whole amalgmation of issues that has seen a deterioation in social responsibility. Without expanding on details, single parent families with no worthwhile male role models, lack of discipline, parental involvement and responsibility, fragmentation of communities, childrens rights issues without corresponding responsibilities, removal of effective punishment strategies in schools, societies "I don't want to get involved attitudes", I could go on :(

[kengillam]

That may be true, on screen violence has certainly got more aggressive as well, and before someone starts about tom & jerry cartoons, kids can differentiate between that and real life or at least they used to. Play violence is part of growing up, the problem is when they don't realise the difference.

[silkcityuk2]

Ken has hit the nail on the head here - but you are missing something. I was discussing this with my dad who is in his 60's yesterday and he came up with a great observation.

There is loads of violence on TV, in Console Games, in movies etc but rarely does anyone actually die in these hollywood scenarios. Someone gets kicked repeatedly in the head on TV and they tend to just get back up again. Get stabbed in a game and you just grab a medipack.

Kids are being conditioned into thinking violence is ok and not dangerous - beating someone up wont kill them - they will be fine - just like in the movies.

Its our generation who are giving kids this impression.

Not the sole answer but I thought it was a fine observation...
its more to do with lack of disipline in homes and schools
through stupid so called do_gooders who think they know best for other peoples children