****ed OFF

[grimkiller]

i thought a meesage board was so you can post your view!!
well i posted on here last nite against a statment that a member made,about buying off of people with no feedback.
saying basically dont buy off members with 0 feedback.

i replied that this was a very stupid statement as we all started with 0 at sometime.
another member also replied with the same sort of answer.
to witch both posts have been deleted.
and ive search for the posts as well .

really ****es me off this

[fairywishes]

Hi grimkiller
dont know what happened to your posts, as i didnt see them.
Only 2 ways a post can be deleted as far as im aware.
1/ BY the person who posts it.
2/ BY Deleting the whole thread - either by the thread starter or admin.


To address the point of selling or buying from zero rated members.
I cringe when i see a ZERO bidder over there , because time and time again ( at least 80% of the time ) I have had NPBs from zero's.
I LOVE here, that we can choose to have bids only from peeps with a certain ammount of feedback - i choose the lowest as it goes but still i am discriminating and im not ashamed to admit it.
YES we where all zero once but when i balance that against the masses of NPBs i have had from zeros over the past 3-4 years.
sorry but its just not worth the risk.

As far as buying from a zero seller, again i wouldnt chance it. For the exact same reasons.

Its way tooo easy for people to set up UMPTEEN different IDs along side one another and CON YOU.

When i came here and on to ebay , i made a point of buying first to get some feedback , then selling.

YES ... It was lucky for me, that not all sellers took my atitude and allowed me to buy as a zero bidder else id never have gotten off the starting block ( maybe ) ... however, in my case i have almost always had a website link and other info to prove who i was, so was always a pretty safe bet.

[thehoneyant]

I can't comment on the content of the posts, because I did not see them.
It sometimes happens that posts run amok, for want of a better word. :)


There are only 3 reasons why the posts will have been deleted.
Either the OP deleted it themselves because the replies were not as they intended.
The thread was reported, and deleted by Admin.
Or Admin saw it and deleted it themselves.

[fairywishes]

Just noticed your join date GK
:eek: AUG 2002 :eek:
Did not even know ebid was invented then. lol

Surely, in that case there is nothing you can learn from anyone here. They must have designed the site around you. ;)

[fairywishes]

get over it

now now ... and there was me happy to see you again :p

[minkyrra]

I didnt see the thread or post

i personally will and do buy from sellers with zero feedback, as long as the item is under 5 - 10 quid

anything more is too much of a risk

as for buyers, i allow anyone to bid on my auctions.

i havent had any problems with non paying bidders, (maybe i shouldnt be saying that outloud) elsewhere i have only had one, oh and someone who bid on two auctions but only wanted one.

as far as the thread being deleted, as the others have said...

the person who started the thread may not have liked the response it received, changed their views or decided the thread was getting out of hand

to be honest it has to be pretty extreme before admin will step in

or they would have to have had a complaint and found it justified

i cant imagine admin would have been against your post if it said to give new sellers a chance

[Angelicas_Aromatics]

I did not see the original thread either i am afraid, but i would go with Minkyrra on this one. You would really have to take a common sense approach to the matter really, in that you would probably have to think twice about buying high value items from someone with no history at all, but that is not to say that you should not buy from a '0' rated seller at all.

I started out with a '0' rating like everyone else and the ony reason i have any rating at all now is because someone took a chance on me, but granted that most of my items come in below the £3-4 range including postage.

[stitchysyl]

My problem has always been non-bidders as opposed to NPBs.

of course, if I don't have any auctions up, I can't get either...lol

[thehoneyant]

Just noticed your join date GK
AUG 2002 :eek:
Did not even know ebid was invented then. lol

Surely, in that case there is nothing you can learn from anyone here. They must have designed the site around you. ;)

:D Round about the same time as the famous 92 negs and 92 neutral guy Elaine, remember. !! Now there was a fiasco. LOL some deleted threads then. ;)

[fairywishes]

Blimey! christine, think that was before my time hun.
LOL @ 184 :eek:

[Pete27]

Just find someone who sells to people with 0 feedback, buy a few cheap items and build your feedback up. Simple as :)

[Anichka54]

Just find someone who sells to people with 0 feedback, buy a few cheap items and build your feedback up. Simple as :)
Well said, i keep seeing threads from newbies saying things like 'i've been here for a week/month/whatever & not sold a single thing' i could be wrong but i'm assuming they haven't bought a single thing either, in order for there to be sellers, there have to be buyers, it's just common sense.
When i started here i bought several items before listing any for sale, this gives people a little confidence in bidding on my auctions, some people sign up with false addresses so buyers need to take caution, if they see i've bought some things & had good feedback, then obviously my listed address is legit as i've received the items i bought.
So come on newbies, this site is for buyers & sellers, not just sellers.

[sofiag1964]

it's great to see different view on matters..... zero or some feedback... it was ashame though, on 2 occcasions {recently}, I bought from people with excellent feedback +24 and another +173 by their id... and both of them took my money and ran-they are no longer part of ebid. I'm not in a habit talking about the neg's of my buying or selling, but it blew my view of 100% feedback theory, so when I do buy/bid/sell to or from a zero or more... like anything else... I pray it all works out in the end :D

[Anichka54]

it's great to see different view on matters..... zero or some feedback... it was ashame though, on 2 occcasions {recently}, I bought from people with excellent feedback +24 and another +173 by their id... and both of them took my money and ran-they are no longer part of ebid. I'm not in a habit talking about the neg's of my buying or selling, but it blew my view of 100% feedback theory, so when I do buy/bid/sell to or from a zero or more... like anything else... I pray it all works out in the end :D
I do hope it wasn't a lot of money, i'm quite surprised & saddened that people with a good rating would act that way, after building up a good reputation.
From reading your post, i guess there's really no foolproof way of knowing if anyone can be fully trusted, but a good rating is more often than not a good indication of a persons honesty.

[sofiag1964]

I do hope it wasn't a lot of money, i'm quite surprised & saddened that people with a good rating would act that way, after building up a good reputation.
From reading your post, i guess there's really no foolproof way of knowing if anyone can be fully trusted, but a good rating is more often than not a good indication of a persons honesty.

No, it wasn't a lot of money but it was money I could have used.

In one of the incidents, ebid support supplied me with one of their phone numbers and I phoned it.

She answered and I said hello, she said yes, I said, is this 'whoever' and she said, yes and I said this is islandgirl from ebid, I bought the such and such for £7 and I haven't received an email from you and no shipment have arrived, hello, hello..... 'click' went the phone'. I phoned again, answer machine kicked in, I stated I could press charges if I don't have the item by such and such and hung up. I gave her until a date to get back to me... it didn't happen. I phoned again in a few days and left a message; obviously you needed the money more than I did. I won't press charges but what you did wasn't right. If you needed help, all you had to do was ask. I hope all goes well with you and then hung up the phone. That was it with that one.

[earthangel]

No, it wasn't a lot of money but it was money I could have used.

In one of the incidents, ebid support supplied me with one of their phone numbers and I phoned it.

She answered and I said hello, she said yes, I said, is this 'whoever' and she said, yes and I said this is islandgirl from ebid, I bought the such and such for £7 and I haven't received an email from you and no shipment have arrived, hello, hello..... 'click' went the phone'. I phoned again, answer machine kicked in, I stated I could press charges if I don't have the item by such and such and hung up. I gave her until a date to get back to me... it didn't happen. I phoned again in a few days and left a message; obviously you needed the money more than I did. I won't press charges but what you did wasn't right. If you needed help, all you had to do was ask. I hope all goes well with you and then hung up the phone. That was it with that one.

Nice one, with the phone message. The best thing you could have done. Let's hope they "got the message". I like your avatar, by the way.

[Anichka54]

No, it wasn't a lot of money but it was money I could have used.

In one of the incidents, ebid support supplied me with one of their phone numbers and I phoned it.

She answered and I said hello, she said yes, I said, is this 'whoever' and she said, yes and I said this is islandgirl from ebid, I bought the such and such for £7 and I haven't received an email from you and no shipment have arrived, hello, hello..... 'click' went the phone'. I phoned again, answer machine kicked in, I stated I could press charges if I don't have the item by such and such and hung up. I gave her until a date to get back to me... it didn't happen. I phoned again in a few days and left a message; obviously you needed the money more than I did. I won't press charges but what you did wasn't right. If you needed help, all you had to do was ask. I hope all goes well with you and then hung up the phone. That was it with that one.
From a Karmic point of view, you handled that very well, on the other hand, the person could easily come back with a new ID & rip off more people. As you say, they were small amounts but for the people losing big amounts to fraudsters, i think they should take legal action.

[sofiag1964]

Nice one, with the phone message. The best thing you could have done. Let's hope they "got the message". I like your avatar, by the way.

I hope they got the message too. I sleep a lot better knowing I did what I can and what I am able to control. {thanks for lovely comment on my avitar :D}

Also, anicka, you're right in the lawsuit point. If the person was still a member, it would be in the black ball section to warn others. I, personally, won't know unless a situation like that arise if I would press charges if the amount was greater {I just may}. People who are desperate for whatever reason do strange things.

It is so strange that I ordered ink for my printer from someone who's been around a little while and lost £3.99 or so. Person was suspended. They had good rating and everything like the other one. So I ordered from someone else, rating I think zero or 1 not far from the zero mark and was treated like a queen!! So, you never know.

[SGVCrafts]

Just find someone who sells to people with 0 feedback, buy a few cheap items and build your feedback up. Simple as :)

Have to agree with the above statement :) And guess what I sell to people who have a no feedback. All I ask is that they pay for the goods and leave a feedback. What more could you ask for.

Might even make it one of my auction points.

Cheers
Saleman

[Anichka54]

Have to agree with the above statement :) And guess what I sell to people who have a no feedback. All I ask is that they pay for the goods and leave a feedback. What more could you ask for.

Might even make it one of my auction points.

Cheers
Saleman
I'm also willing to sell to newbies, if they don't pay they don't get the goods & it costs me nothing (apart from time wasted).

[thehoneyant]

:) I was a newbie once with no feedback, I can still taste my first buy, Chocolate !! Thanks Mel :D

I am still only a Bronze buyer, I have asked for sales to be opened to me when they have been for silver & above bidders only. ( i also give a link to feedback from other sites I have bought from )

It is up to the seller, and their instincts when reading your feedback. I have never been refused, and have completed transactions with no problem.

If they had said no, I would have just moved on to another seller with a similar item. It's that easy.

Now when I check feedback (mine) I see that some of those sellers have a strikethrough their names. :eek: Swings and roundabouts.:)

[fairywishes]

Awww all very sweet, selling to ZERO peeps ... wait till you get almost 50 NPBs in 2 1/2 years and i bet you anything you would ALL be singing a very different tune.


Always easy to do the NICE thing when you have only had a few stings.

AND I AM NOT exadurating it was prob more than 50 if i go right back to the begining.

But ... that was prob more to do with the fact that people trolled and targeted me from the forums than anything else.

You live and learn. :p

[KeepsakesGalore]

i thought a meesage board was so you can post your view!!
well i posted on here last nite against a statment that a member made,about buying off of people with no feedback.
saying basically dont buy off members with 0 feedback.

i replied that this was a very stupid statement as we all started with 0 at sometime.
another member also replied with the same sort of answer.
to witch both posts have been deleted.
and ive search for the posts as well .

really ****es me off this
I posted the responce after you grimkiller.
And I totally agree with the opinion that the deleted post was rubbish.
It refered to another post on being ripped off by a zero feedback member,
I then commented on lack of replys to 7 emails and two pms I sent to support and gazza. three days ago.
This refered to bids from a neighbour being cancelled and an insinuation I was shill bidding.(I had no idea she was bidding)
I had 5 items on a dutch auction and no bidders. the only bidder I had was the neighbour. who I was told was the bidder by ebid.
Ebid took the step of cancelling her bid and stopping me leaving feedback,
I am seriously looking at legal action over this.
Needless to say this has caused problems.
This was the strength of the missing post.
And no doubt this one will go along with it aswell.

[Apollo2003]

i thought a meesage board was so you can post your view!!
well i posted on here last nite against a statment that a member made,about buying off of people with no feedback.
saying basically dont buy off members with 0 feedback.

i replied that this was a very stupid statement as we all started with 0 at sometime.
another member also replied with the same sort of answer.
to witch both posts have been deleted.
and ive search for the posts as well .

really ****es me off this


Interesting this lol

Hi Reeper

Don't buy or sell much on Ebid anymore, but I have been around auctions a good few years, so I will give you my views.

First thing that strikes me in an auction is the whether I am interested in an item, secondly the price and then if I am still interested I will have a look at the feedback of the seller, now when you see zero feedback it doesn't mean good or bad, just a little bit more cautious and have a look to see the persons join date, this gives a better idea if they should have some feedback or not, having said that I would probably deal with someone who has been registered for a long time with no feedback, as this simply denotes either they have nothing to sell or have seen nothing they want to buy. On the other hand if they joined in the last few days I would probably steer clear of the seller until they had a few feedbacks.

Now one thing which comes into it is a username ..... not very inspiring to see 'Seller - Grimreeper' kind of throws a few thoughts into the pot, For instance I used the user name 'i'm-going-to-rip-you-off' with no feedback and was selling a 42" Plasma TV would you bid ? .... not saying this was you lol, just trying to explain that a username can detract from a bid being placed.
On the other hand say I used the username like ' Sound-and-Hi-Fi ' and I was selling the lastest Hi-Fi systems then there's a possibility I would get more chance of a sale, I could increase the chances by stating that I also trade on other well known auction sites .... making sure your user name matches both sites, this would put the doubts away if the details matched (e.g in Epay .... Sound-and-Hi-Fi location Telford, in Ebid ... Sound-and-Hi-Fi location Telford) if the location was Telford in one and London in the other then it stands to reason that I wouldn't expect to get any bids.


As others have said buy a few items, get some feeback and this will help you to look a more trustworthy seller, change your username to something a little more appealing it may help you to sell.

Having said all of the above, lots of people more over to Ebid because they are fed up with the fees a certain other site charges, They then get excited and the low fees or totally free, only to find few sales, and in turn frustration at not selling. People in Epay now try to get round paying commision by hiking the postage charges and selling the item at 99p. Never understood why all of a sudden everyone there was selling things that weigh less than a matchstick with P&P that cost the equivalent of a sending Boeing 747 - obvisious now that they sell the item at 99p pay less commission and the item is priced using the P&P ... I understand why they are doing it. Ebid is different as no commission is taken from the sale of the item but the P&P sometimes is still higher that it really should be.

Here look at the postage on this item

http://uk.three.ebid.net/perl/auction.cgi?auction=1140001588-26527-0&mo=auction

£4.99 standard 1st class post

or this one which is even better ... same item

Royal Mail 1st Class Standard (£12.50)

Why people do this on Ebid makes me cringe .... why not start the auction at £13.50 with no reserve and free postage ... chance are that it would sell this way.

The way people list add P&P charges makes a big difference in how successful they are. Selling items that people want is another way to increase sales. Ebid in my opinion will never make it like Epay do, simply when Epay started everyone went mad paying stupid prices for items that were cheaper in your town centre, sellers could start at 99p and watch in amazement at the end price. Sadly Ebid caught the market to late, Sellers won't take the risk of selling with low start prices and most of the items in Ebid you can buy new in town or online cheaper, so why would I want to buy something that is more expensive, with no guarantee I will get it.

Sorry for the long post .... but I only pop in from time to time and reply to constructive posts on the KT ....

http://uk.three.ebid.net/perl/auction.cgi?auction=1144692921-7054-0&mo=auction

[grimkiller]

its not me with 0 feedback.i was just ****ed off to my post being deleted along with KeepsakesGalore,as ive said in my first post.that another member said they would'nt buy off of a 0 feedback member.
i said we all started with 0 so thats a stupid statement.
and now both posts are gone